Which CMS to use for new site?

Ayotte, Dana dayotte at ocadu.ca
Thu Aug 15 17:26:30 UTC 2019


Hi All,

Based on my experience using Netlify to add content to the SJRK website, I have found it very limiting in terms of what I can do without having to include some combination of markup and markdown (and asking for help :) ). And I really haven’t attempted anything very complicated (adding headings, text and images with captions and descriptions). Which has been ok but I’d say doesn’t meet the requirement of “Ease of contribution for non-developers” and I think makes more work in the end. But I can’t tell if those limitations are purely Netlify or if if they stem from how we’ve set it up in this instance, or more likely a combination of both (?)

I’ve also found it challenging to be adding content when I have no control over layout or styling. But others may not care about that. I found myself making layout/design choices based on what I could make work with Netlify, which is extremely limiting. From my understanding of Wordpress this wouldn’t be an issue? Or at least, somewhat less of an issue?

And looking at many of the other requirements on Gregor’s list, from my experience I don’t think Netlify will meet our needs.

Dana

On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Zimmerman, Ned <nzimmerman at ocadu.ca<mailto:nzimmerman at ocadu.ca>> wrote:

This one is! https://www.linkedin.com/learning/wordpress-developing-blocks-with-gutenberg


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Ned Zimmerman
Senior Inclusive Developer
Inclusive Design Research Centre, OCAD University
https://idrc.ocadu.ca<https://idrc.ocadu.ca/>

From: Justin Obara <obara.justin at gmail.com<mailto:obara.justin at gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 1:02 PM
To: "Zimmerman, Ned" <nzimmerman at ocadu.ca<mailto:nzimmerman at ocadu.ca>>
Cc: Fluid Work <fluid-work at fluidproject.org<mailto:fluid-work at fluidproject.org>>
Subject: Re: Which CMS to use for new site?

Any chance that’s available on LinkedIn Learning? Those of us working at OCAD will have access to that.

Thanks
Justin


On Aug 15, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Zimmerman, Ned <nzimmerman at ocadu.ca<mailto:nzimmerman at ocadu.ca>> wrote:

If we do go with WordPress, I would recommend that the developers working on the project start looking at React and maybe we get a team subscription to this:https://javascriptforwp.com/product/gutenberg-block-development-course/

I know Zac and I think I can get us a discount if that’s something we want to do.

Cheers,
Ned
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Ned Zimmerman
Senior Inclusive Developer
Inclusive Design Research Centre, OCAD University
https://idrc.ocadu.ca<https://idrc.ocadu.ca/>

From: fluid-work <fluid-work-bounces at lists.idrc.ocad.ca<mailto:fluid-work-bounces at lists.idrc.ocad.ca>> on behalf of "Harnum, Alan" <aharnum at ocadu.ca<mailto:aharnum at ocadu.ca>>
Date: Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 12:12 PM
To: "Moss, Gregor" <gmoss at ocadu.ca<mailto:gmoss at ocadu.ca>>, Fluid Work <fluid-work at fluidproject.org<mailto:fluid-work at fluidproject.org>>
Subject: RE: Which CMS to use for new site?

Gregor - thanks for the very useful summary. My initial thoughts:


  *   My impression of Netlify CMS from brief exploration is that it’s not substantially more friendly to people who don’t know Markdown than simply using Markdown. Other who have used it more extensively may be able to comment more.
  *   I will second Jon’s point: “There’s a good chance the new IDRC site will run on its given platform for much longer than anticipated.”
  *   If we feel the features of a CMS are necessary, I would advocate going with Wordpress as a well-known open source project.
  *   I would also suggest we consider whether or not a well-designed Hugo-based site with workflows and documentation for contribution might suffice. We could explore making use of Netlify CMS in this context.
  *   I would also add as a minimum requirement that any CMS we choose must be accessible or have the capability to be made accessible. I feel Wordpress (despite the recent Gutenberg issues) is probably in a much better spot for this than Netlify CMS.
  *   I think it’s also important to note for this conversation that Netlify CMS is an open-source project (https://www.netlifycms.org/) based on some of the code used for the commercial Netlify service (https://www.netlify.com/) – the relationship is, roughly speaking, the same as the one between the Wordpress open-source project and https://wordpress.com/


From: fluid-work <fluid-work-bounces at lists.idrc.ocad.ca<mailto:fluid-work-bounces at lists.idrc.ocad.ca>> On Behalf Of Moss, Gregor
Sent: August 14, 2019 4:31 PM
To: Fluid Work <fluid-work at fluidproject.org<mailto:fluid-work at fluidproject.org>>
Subject: Which CMS to use for new site?

Hi all,

We’re getting started on designs and planning the work for a couple of new sites here at the IDRC (the IDRC site https://idrc.ocadu.ca/ and a redesign of the ILDHhttps://handbook.floeproject.org/), and we’d love to get some feedback from you on which content management system you think would be best. Content on these sites won’t be changing too often, about once every month or two.

Some minimum requirements in no particular order:

  *   Content searching either built in or easily added and maintained
  *   Tagging and/or other metadata capabilities
  *   Ease of contribution for non-developers
  *   Potential for contributions from outside users (much like the Fluid Wiki and Jira)
  *   Free (as in beer), and ideally FOSS
  *   Fully customizable in terms of markup and styling on a page-by-page basis
  *   Minimal intervention from an infrastructure perspective


We’ve been looking primarily at WordPress (https://wordpress.org/) and Netlify CMS (https://www.netlifycms.org/).

My questions to each of you:

  *   Do you have any arguments for or against either of these two options?
  *   Do you have any other CMS’s you would recommend checking out?
  *   Do you have any other advice?


Personally, I’m partial to Netlify CMS due to its seemingly lightweight setup, performance and the potential for integrating Infusion if we would like any features from there. It runs on the JAMstack, which means that server responses will be much quicker (among other benefits). On the other hand, Netlify is pretty fresh and finding support, plugins or articles on SO won’t be as easy while WordPress has been around for over 15 years and has a fairly healthy support community.

Cheers and thanks,
Gregor
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