Floe Video Player Wordpress Plugin UI exploration

Richards, Jan jrichards at ocadu.ca
Thu Jan 24 22:07:48 UTC 2013


Just wondering where auto-captionning might come in? The quality isn't good enough to depend on them yet, but quality should improve over time and under some conditions (clear audio, slow caption typist) it can provide text that is good enough that it is quicker to edit than to start fresh.

YouTube has an auto-captionning feature and then the ability to edit the resulting captions (which typically do need editing). I did a quick Google search and found this YouTube-Amara workaround:
http://pculture.freshdesk.com/categories/6573/forums/74605/topics/9560

Cheers,
Jan

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From: fluid-work-bounces at fluidproject.org [mailto:fluid-work-bounces at fluidproject.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hung
Sent: January-24-13 4:43 PM
To: Colin Clark
Cc: Fluid Work
Subject: Re: Floe Video Player Wordpress Plugin UI exploration

Good points Colin.

The technical details I was seeking clarification was to help me understand how resources are handled and referenced.

So Amara will be the preferred / default method for captions and transcripts? This helps answer my 3rd question in my original email.

Youtube + Amara sounds to be the easiest end user route to embedding video content in our case.  Uploading your own video, captions, and transcripts is more advanced since it requires the user understand different formats for each item.

That workflow sounds pretty good. I'll work through a few use cases and flesh out some a11y details too.

- Jon.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Colin Clark <colinbdclark at gmail.com<mailto:colinbdclark at gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm not sure I'm fully following this discussion, so apologies if this has already been covered.

It sounds like we might need to step back a little bit and consider the process from the user's perspective, thinking about how we want it to be designed, rather than how it currently works technically.

I imagine a workflow that goes something like this:

* A user has a video that they want to include in their WordPress blog/site
* They use our plugin to either:
   a) upload the file directly (like, say, if they made the movie themselves in iMovie)
   b) point us to a video that's already on YouTube
* If it's a YouTube video, our plugin checks Amara to see if there are already captions for it
* If there aren't, or if the video is being uploaded by the user, it prompts them to caption it using Amara
* There might be, if necessary, some "advanced options" where a user can choose to upload or link to a pre-authored caption file; but I suspect this isn't a typical use case

Does this seem about right?

Colin

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On 2013-01-24, at 12:15 PM, "Cheetham, Anastasia" <acheetham at ocadu.ca<mailto:acheetham at ocadu.ca>> wrote:

>
>> I have listed the major pieces of functionality on this wiki page:  http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/%28Floe%29+Video+Player+Wordpress+Plugin+Exploration
>
> I've updated the wiki page with a bit more specificity about the functionality.
>
>
> Regarding your questions:
>
>> 1. Is any other metadata information required? i.e. author, description / summary, primary language, etc?
>
> At this time, no other information is supported.
>
>
>> 2. Are any of the fields mandatory? I assume the Video URL and format are the only required fields?
>
> At least one videoUrl/format combination is mandatory. Any additional ones are optional.
>
> Captions and transcripts are not mandatory, however, if they are added, all information for the file is mandatory: url-or-name, format and language
>
>
>> 3. How common is the Amara use case for either Transcript or Captions?
>
> I think that remains to be seen :-)
>
>
>> 4. Can JSONcc or VTT resources be loaded from an URL?
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> Not at this time, due to cross-site scripting restrictions.
>
>
>> 5. Can the type of caption / transcript be detected given an URL?
>
> I suspect not, given that we can't count on what people will name their files.
>
>
>> 6. Can an Amara transcript or Amara caption be uploaded locally or must it always be specified with an URL?
>
> AFAIK, it must be an URL.
>
> Amara is a service that hosts captions for videos. In this case, the URL is actually the URL of a video that has Amara captions on the Amara site. Even if it happened to be uploaded to the local WordPress instance, the Amara captions would have to be referenced using the full URL of the WordPress-hosted video; that's just how Amara works.
>
> The URL will not necessarily be the same as one of the video urls: it will include a language code (since it refers to a specific language of caption). For example (taken from our demo), if the original video is a youtube video
>       http://www.youtube.com/v/_VxQEPw1x9E
> Amara might host two captions, referenced using these urls:
>       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxQEPw1x9E&language=en
>       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxQEPw1x9E&language=fr



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