Updated the Infusion Browser support chart

Armin Krauss mackrauss at googlemail.com
Wed Nov 4 01:34:47 UTC 2009


thanks for the good discussion. I did not know that we tested with Linux and
I am happy to
hear. I fully understand the reason for the A-Grade browsers to have focus
on a selected
set of platforms. I don't want to change this considering the enormous time
commitment to
do the release testing.

Maybe we can create a B-Grade browser list. The purpose of this list would
be to direct
testing that goes beyond the core that we have to cover. This would help to
give people, which
want to do extra testing, some guidance of what we see as desirable.
This could be Firefox on Ubuntu or in the future Opera (since it looks like
Opera might drop
out of Yahoo's browser listing).

Any thoughts on this "alternative" list? We could also give some information
on screen readers
we want to cover. Since we always talk about accessibility it is from my
point of view important
to integrate testing with tools like screen readers into our QA cycles. This
might not be done for
each release but on an ongoing basis. To do so we might want to create a
A-Grade listing for
assistance technology.


On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 16:47, Colin Clark <colinbdclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> On this particular issue, I'm with Justin.
> The purpose of the A-Grade chart is to outline a feasible set of platforms
> on which we can test most thoroughly. It's not about excluding some
> platforms--our goal is to enable use across a wide variety of platforms and
> browsers. With limited QA resources, we use the A-Grade list to help us
> focus. But we're always happy to receive test results from users on all
> platforms, and we do our best to fix issues on non-A-Grade browsers where
> possible.
> It's pretty useful to read Yahoo!'s perspective on graded browser support:
> http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/
> As Justin says, several of our developers do use Linux on a regular basis,
> and Joan was kind enough to submit QA results for it. If you're interested
> in helping out with Linux testing, please feel very welcome and encouraged
> to do so. The A-Grade chart will continue to allow us to focus on a baseline
> of testing and support that our users can rely on for every release.
> Colin
> On 3-Nov-09, at 4:00 PM, Justin Obara wrote:
>  Hello,
>> Thanks for your keen interest in testing and how it affects all of our
>> users.
>> I suppose I should start by saying that the browser support chart doesn't
>> prevent testing on any other configuration, but is instead the base for what
>> must be covered.
>> You may or may not have noticed that we did testing on linux in the last
>> release of Infusion (1.1.2).
>> That being said, we have tried to stay inline with the Yahoo A-grade
>> browser support. It provides us with a "standard" configuration to follow,
>> which does allow our browser support decisions to be more transparent.
>> I'd be interested in knowing more about what you and others in the
>> community think about this.
>> Thanks
>> Justin
>> On 2009-11-03, at 3:22 PM, Alison Benjamin wrote:
>>  I think incorporating testing with Ubuntu in our QA cycles would be a
>>> good thing and I would be happy to help.
>>> Alison
>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Armin Krauss <mackrauss at googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello Justin,
>>>> I understand that we have to concentrate on some browsers in order to be
>>>> able to get
>>>> our releases tested in an acceptable time. However, I would argue for
>>>> adding
>>>> testing
>>>> on Ubuntu with the newest Firefox. This does not have a huge market
>>>> share,
>>>> but we
>>>> could use this platform to test with the Orca screen reader as well.
>>>> Testing
>>>> more often
>>>> with Orca, VoiceOver and Jaws would allow use to cover accessibility
>>>> issues
>>>> better.
>>>> Including the most popular Desktop Linux distribution with one of the
>>>> most
>>>> popular
>>>> browsers would help us to make sure Fluid passes the regular test cycle
>>>> on
>>>> this
>>>> platform. If you then start tests with Orca and with disabled users you
>>>> do
>>>> not run
>>>> into errors that could have be caught during the regular test cycle.
>>>> I was planning to meet with Alison and Jamon in order to set up our
>>>> laptop
>>>> for dual boot
>>>> and virtual machines that allow use to easily work and test on the
>>>> Ubuntu
>>>> platform. Maybe
>>>> we could also have one instance of a Ubuntu running on a VM so that
>>>> everyone
>>>> has
>>>> access via VNC and does not need to maintain an installation.
>>>> Any comments and thoughts are more than welcome to get a discussion
>>>> started.
>>>> Armin
>>>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 14:09, Justin Obara <obara.justin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I have just updated the browser support chart for Infusion to match
>>>>> Yahoo's latest A-grade browser chart.
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Support+Chart
>>>>> Below is the list of changes posted on the YUI blog.
>>>>> http://yuiblog.com/blog/2009/10/16/gbs-update-2009q4/
>>>>> With this update, Mac OS 10.4 Tiger drops from the A-Grade testing
>>>>> matrix
>>>>> (replaced with Mac OS 10.6 Snow Leopard) and the testing surface is
>>>>> reduced
>>>>> to 12 browsers on 4 OS platforms (down from 14 browsers on 4
>>>>> platforms).
>>>>> Specific changes include:
>>>>> Initiated A-Grade support for Firefox 3.5.† on Mac OS 10.6.†
>>>>> Initiated A-Grade support for Opera 10.0.† on Windows XP
>>>>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Firefox 3.0.† on Mac OS 10.5.†
>>>>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Firefox 3.5.† on Mac OS 10.5.†
>>>>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Safari 3.2.† on Mac OS 10.4.†
>>>>> Discontinued A-Grade support for Opera 9.6.† on Windows XP
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Justin
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