Inline Edit "remove" button & JAWS

Michael S Elledge elledge at msu.edu
Thu May 14 21:08:03 UTC 2009


I also think this is a good idea.

Mike

Daphne Ogle wrote:
> The remove is after the title.  The screen reader should read the 
> title of the thing, then several attributes about it (teaching 
> assistant, logistics, class size, etc.) then remove is the last thing 
> in the row.  I think remove item might be vague in this case.  Which 
> item -- one of the attributes?
>
> Could we add some context by inserting the type of thing.  In this 
> case, it would be "remove section".  But what the thing is could be a 
> configuration option. Or is that a bad idea for implementation reasons?
>
> -Daphne
>
> On May 11, 2009, at 2:07 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>
>> Depending on the AT in use rows are not apparent to AT users.  
>> However, in the case that a row is not apparent, the concept of an 
>> "item" is likely also not apparent.  For example, is the "Remove this 
>> item" button or checkbox at the beginning or end of the item?
>>
>> I would argue that users should be expected to have reasonably recent 
>> technology, we cannot code against JAWS 4.5, but at the same time 
>> rows aren't fully apparent on OSX 10.5.6 with Voiceover and Safari 
>> 4beta, so I'm not sure what an alternative solution would be.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Everett
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>> On 11-May-09, at 4:45 PM, Michael S Elledge wrote:
>>
>>> I would think "Remove" as a heading is fine; I would put "Remove 
>>> this item" as a title for the checkbox, since rows aren't always 
>>> meaningful to persons who are blind.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Eli Cochran wrote:
>>>> The UI in the generic Section Info tool is quite different. It is a 
>>>> checkbox in the Remove column. The user then needs to click a 
>>>> Remove Sections button once they have selected the sections. Still 
>>>> "true" is just wrong and there should be a title attribute on the 
>>>> checkbox. However, wondering if "Remove this row" is the right 
>>>> thing for it to say in this case.
>>>> I've enclosed a screen shot of the actual component.
>>>> - Eli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 11, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Alison Benjamin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd say it's worth sharing because it could be confusing to hear 
>>>>> "true". Plus it looks really easy to fix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alison
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Colin Clark 
>>>>> <colin.clark at utoronto.ca <mailto:colin.clark at utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    Nice patch! Just a quick question about it...
>>>>>
>>>>>    While our bSpace Section Info page is just a mockup, it's based
>>>>>    on a real user interface in Sakai. Given this, I'm wondering if
>>>>>    this issue might be something we should also share upstream with
>>>>>    the Sakai community? It's likely a really easy change to the
>>>>>    Section Info tools's markup.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Colin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    On 11-May-09, at 1:44 PM, Eli Cochran wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>        cool, thanks. If you would assigned that bug to me, I'll
>>>>>        review and check in the patch.
>>>>>
>>>>>        - Eli
>>>>>
>>>>>        On May 11, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Alison Benjamin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>            Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>            Last week I conducted user testing with 2 JAWS users on
>>>>>            the bSpace implementation of Inline Edit. Here is the
>>>>>            wiki page with results (please note the wiki page is a
>>>>>            work in progress):
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Simple+Text+Inline+Edit+User+Testing+-+Round+3+Results
>>>>>
>>>>>            A bug that came up is that when you tab to the 'remove'
>>>>>            button to remove a row, JAWS reads "true", which is not
>>>>>            meaningful to the user.
>>>>>
>>>>>            Here is a patch that gives each button the title "remove
>>>>>            this row".
>>>>>
>>>>>            http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-2651
>>>>>
>>>>>            Thanks,
>>>>>            Alison
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>        Eli Cochran
>>>>>        user interaction developer
>>>>>        ETS, UC Berkeley
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>>>>>    Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto
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>>>>
>>>> Eli Cochran
>>>> user interaction developer
>>>> ETS, UC Berkeley
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