Screen Reader Testing Needed

Michael S Elledge elledge at
Wed Sep 10 14:13:44 UTC 2008

Hi All--

The protocol would be dependent on the particular widget being tested. 
In full site or application tests, we determine the most common tasks 
that will be done by users, or those where we suspect there may be 
greater difficulty. In the Fluid tests, it would be a similar approach, 
although I would imagine that there would be fewer steps for users to 
take to accomplish each task, and the tasks would be more on the order 
of "Move this item to the end of the list" or "Sort this list 

It may also be helpful to separate our thinking about user testing from 
QA, since, at least in the Sakai world, QA has consisted of banging away 
at the application to identify things that don't work, or applying a 
generic protocol (in the case of accessibility) to make sure tools are 

It's really quite distinct from user testing in which we're trying to 
see what works best for users, not whether it works at all. Does this 
make sense to everyone?


Justin wrote:
> Hello,
> I was planning on sending an e-mail out to the list asking if there 
> were any accessibility tests with users. I'm glad to see that there 
> are some in the works. Please let me know how I could help. If they 
> are going to be in Toronto I would like to help out or at least 
> observe, if possible.
> As for the QA protocol, if it does end up being similar, I could still 
> use it to do a first pass. This will help us eliminate some of the 
> more obvious issues before taking it to users.
> Thanks
> Justin
> On 9-Sep-08, at 4:20 PM, Daphne Ogle wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> We have some tasks in the design iteration to prepare for screen 
>> reader user testing.  Mike has volunteered to prepare some user 
>> testing protocols for us for screen reader and keyboard users for our 
>> components.  I wonder if the QA protocol ends up looking a lot like 
>> the user testing protocol?
>> -Daphne
>> On Sep 9, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Justin wrote:
>>> Hello Michael,
>>> Thanks for the reply, please see my comments below
>>> - Justin
>>> On 9-Sep-08, at 2:19 PM, Michael S Elledge wrote:
>>>> Hi Justin--
>>>> I've found that the best approach is to go through a site as if you
>>>> were a screen reader user, i.e., using common user commands,
>>>> listening to page content and trying out functionality.
>>>> I can put together a protocol for reviewing a page/component for you
>>>> to try.
>>> If you could send me a protocol that would be very helpful. My biggest
>>> concern right now is that I'm not actually using the screen reader
>>> like a screen reader user would. A protocol for any of our components
>>> on the daily build page would be good (
>>>> In actual user testing, we ask screen reader users to perform the
>>>> same tasks as sighted users.
>>> I should look into this. I suppose I should do a preliminary pass to
>>> test it first before getting a user to try it.
>>>> Mike
>>>> Justin wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> As Fluid's components continue to develop and progress it would be
>>>>> helpful to ensure that they are meeting the needs of those using
>>>>> Screen Readers.
>>>>> I am still learning about screen readers, and as such haven't been
>>>>> able to properly test our components with them.
>>>>> Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>> Also if you have any good learning resources that you would like
>>>>> to  share, please pass them along.
>>>>> Thank You
>>>>> Justin
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>> Daphne Ogle
>> Senior Interaction Designer
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> Educational Technology Services
>> daphne at
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