Editable fields WAS Date widget

Thu Jan 3 19:58:44 UTC 2008

I'm not seeing hyperlinks, so let me try this instead, with some
Confluence-fu and a little flipchart animation:

 	 http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/wQCW

~Clay

On Jan 3, 2008 2:39 PM, John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> And 'goal management' too! Don't tell Sean :-)
>
> Sort of worked for me. Told me something was going on although I
> wasn't sure what at first. Curious problem arose when their default
> todo's read like hyperlinks themselves. My first expectation was that
> clicking on the item would take me to the task (not edit the task
> title). Some people are really hard to please :-)
>
> I think I'd be happy with some rollover cue's that I could turn off
> in preferences to give the Google behaviour, but I'm intrigued to
> think how we could be confident about rolling out just the Google
> behaviour because it is much cleaner. How many user tests would make
> me confident..?
>
> John
>
>
> On 3 Jan 2008, at 20:10, Clay Fenlason wrote:
>
> > Take a look at Toodledo (www.toodledo.com).  They do a fairly nice
> > thing with a tabulated list of entries (to-do tasks in their case).
> > The row that your mouse is hovering over is highlighted, and the
> > editable fields are "boxed" with a different highlight, and they
> > manage this without being garish.  This works the same way for dates,
> > text fields, or even attached notes and comments.
> >
> > You'll have to actually register and create some to-do tasks to see
> > this all at work, but I think it's worth the exercise.
> >
> > ~Clay
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2008 1:56 PM, Sean Keesler <smkeesle at syr.edu> wrote:
> >> Is there any chance of having two modes for such UI's?
> >> One mode could show hints about the available features for newbies
> >> and
> >> another mode could hide those cues, making the content the focus
> >> for users
> >> familiar with the way the UI works.
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/3/08 1:43 PM, "Nate Angell" <nate.angell at rsmart.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Or alternatively, does anyone know of good usability data on
> >>> "unmarked" editable areas? Some of my usability experience suggests
> >>> that the majority of users try clicking on something they want to
> >>> change whether it is marked as editable or not.
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:39 AM, Daphne Ogle wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:31 AM, John Norman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Google Calendar works well for this situation (once you work out
> >>>>> how it works :-) ). It displays brief date information -
> >>>>> apparently
> >>>>> as normal html - but when you click on the date info it becomes
> >>>>> fully editable year, day and time. The usability challenge for me
> >>>>> was that at first I didn't realise the date was editable. After
> >>>>> thinking "how could Google write something so badly" for a
> >>>>> while, I
> >>>>> clicked on the date out of frustration and behold, the editable
> >>>>> interface was revealed unto me. With the help of an edit icon
> >>>>> (pencil) I would probably have got there sooner, but now I know
> >>>>> how
> >>>>> it works I like it.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is interesting and timely.  I'm struggling with this issue
> >>>> right now in my Image Gallery designs.  We are planning to use in-
> >>>> line editing.  Currently I've got a mix of using the edit icon and
> >>>> not.  Mostly I've used it when there is a mix of information and
> >>>> only some of it is editable.  I'm trying not to use the icon
> >>>> everywhere because it just takes up so much room.  But it's
> >>>> misleading an inconsistent to use it sometimes and not others.
> >>>> However, in looking around at how others are making in-line editing
> >>>> discoverable I haven't come across anything great.  John references
> >>>> Google here.  I also like Flickr but they have the same issue that
> >>>> until you know you can edit you just can't tell.  Any other good
> >>>> examples out there people have seen?
> >>>>
> >>>> -Daphne
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This seems likely to be at variance with Yahoo patterns though...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3 Jan 2008, at 15:15, Clay Fenlason wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'd add one further design consideration.  I know that there has
> >>>>>> already been some discussion about a Fluid component for editing
> >>>>>> bits
> >>>>>> of the screen in place.  I think there are often locations
> >>>>>> where a
> >>>>>> time and date are simply displayed when they should also
> >>>>>> probably be
> >>>>>> editable (e.g. the assignments list as viewed by the instructor).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At the same time, it's not always the case that you want the full
> >>>>>> timestamp to be displayed (again, the assignments listing
> >>>>>> provides a
> >>>>>> good example of where this becomes merely clutter, with its
> >>>>>> "open"
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> "due" dates slotted next to one another, and someone might
> >>>>>> also feel
> >>>>>> that they want to add a third:  an "accept until" date).  You
> >>>>>> rarely
> >>>>>> need to see the year specified, for example, and in certain
> >>>>>> contexts
> >>>>>> even the time of day is secondary, although it should be easy to
> >>>>>> check.  I imagine solutions where only the date is displayed
> >>>>>> at the
> >>>>>> top level, and some sort of mouseover or popup reveals the
> >>>>>> full and
> >>>>>> gory details if you have a reason to refer to them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ~Clay
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 3, 2008 12:21 AM,  <antranig at caret.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi - really glad to see Fluid is preparing to devote some design
> >>>>>>> cycles
> >>>>>>> to this widget!
> >>>>>>> Directing all towards the original requirements page for the
> >>>>>>> date
> >>>>>>> widget started by Kathy:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/RES/Date
> >>>>>>> +widget+impr
> >>>>>>> ovements
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can see all the discussion there, and also try out the
> >>>>>>> templates
> >>>>>>> for my implementation which is still up at
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://ponder.org.uk/RSFComponents-test/faces/test-components-
> >>>>>>> index
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You can grab the markup for the templates at
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://ponder.org.uk/RSFComponents-templates/content/
> >>>>>>> templates/yahoo-date.
> >>>>>>> html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> to be used in any design work that you would like to do from
> >>>>>>> here.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Probably the biggest work that would need to be done to make
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>> widget usable in the other display technologies would be to
> >>>>>>> rewrite
> >>>>>>> the logic used for handling user timezones onto the client side
> >>>>>>> rather than the server so that we can save on AJAX trips.
> >>>>>>> Although
> >>>>>>> we could do without this by just deploying a single "standard
> >>>>>>> widget"
> >>>>>>> webapp into Sakai this would be a bit awkward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Another issue seems to be that many locales (Denmark, South
> >>>>>>> Africa, etc.)
> >>>>>>> are complaining that the standard JDK locale information is not
> >>>>>>> correct
> >>>>>>> for them. We need to think about some architecture for
> >>>>>>> overriding/
> >>>>>>> patching
> >>>>>>> this, hopefully in a scheme that is not too Sakai-specific.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> Antranig.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Quoting Daphne Ogle <daphne at media.berkeley.edu>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sounds like a great idea Kristol!  I'd say go for it.
> >>>>>>>> Should we
> >>>>>>>> create a new confluence space for this work or is there an
> >>>>>>>> existing
> >>>>>>>> one (that I can't find) that we should use?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Daphne
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Hancock, Kristol J wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hey guys!  I have a new hourly designer that has some time
> >>>>>>>>> on her
> >>>>>>>>> hands right now and this may be a good project for her to
> >>>>>>>>> get her
> >>>>>>>>> feet wet with Sakai.  Let me know what you think.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Kristol
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Daphne Ogle [mailto:daphne at media.berkeley.edu]
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:57 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: Harriet Truscott
> >>>>>>>>> Cc: 'Sakai UI UI'; fluid-work at fluidproject.org
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Date widget
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sounds like a wild and crazy New Year Harriet! :)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A date widget component is not currently on the radar for
> >>>>>>>>> Fluid.  It
> >>>>>>>>> would sure be great to decide on an accessible and usable
> >>>>>>>>> widget that
> >>>>>>>>> we consistently use in Sakai.  I've lost track of where and
> >>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>> ones are used at this point.  Would it help if we put
> >>>>>>>>> together a
> >>>>>>>>> little project to identify how and where we use various date
> >>>>>>>>> pickers
> >>>>>>>>> now?  Then we could do UX Walkthroughs and technical
> >>>>>>>>> feasibility to
> >>>>>>>>> assess the various ones in use?  I don't have a ton of time
> >>>>>>>>> right now
> >>>>>>>>> but am willing to work with others on this a bit if there are
> >>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>> takers.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -Daphne
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:36 AM, Harriet Truscott wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello all
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm celebrating the new year by going through my JIRA
> >>>>>>>>>> items, and
> >>>>>>>>>> I've come
> >>>>>>>>>> across
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> HYPERLINK http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-11688
> >>>>>>>>>> http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-11688 , i.e.
> >>>>>>>>>> "Replace
> >>>>>>>>>> date
> >>>>>>>>>> widget in Resources"
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Where are we up to on the whole date widget business? Is
> >>>>>>>>>> Fluid
> >>>>>>>>>> working on
> >>>>>>>>>> developing a lovely new date widget? Has a lovely new date
> >>>>>>>>>> widget
> >>>>>>>>>> (i.e. the
> >>>>>>>>>> one used in Polls) been developed? If so, is this only for
> >>>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> RSF tools?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> HYPERLINK http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-7000
> >>>>>>>>>> http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-7000
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Happy New Year, everyone!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Harriet
> >>>>>>>>>>
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