Ideas for Sakai U-Camp & Programmer's Cafe

Barbara Glover barbara.glover at
Thu Oct 18 18:21:53 UTC 2007

Hi Daphne and Kathy
I think that's a really good idea to start identifying places in  
Sakai that could use the reorderer.  Kathy's suggestion can be the  
first one in the list.

I'll see if there's a UCamp planning area for Sakai.

On 18-Oct-07, at 2:07 PM, Daphne Ogle wrote:

> Yea, that's a great idea Kathy!  I walked away from the Fluid  
> Summit with an action item to identify integration points in Sakai  
> for the reorder.    If we decide to go this route for Ucamp I can  
> create an initial list and then we can decide as group which places  
> would be good for this.
> -Daphne
> On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Moore, Kathleen E wrote:
>> Pardon me for piping in when I won't be at the event, but we hear  
>> a lot
>> of desire to rearrange Sakai's tool menu, from both students and
>> faculty. It would be terrific if the reorderer could be applied to  
>> that
>> area.
>> Kathy
>> Kathleen Moore
>> Web Manager, Information Technology Services
>> Boston University School of Management
>> kemoore at
>> 617-353-2685
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barbara Glover [mailto:barbara.glover at]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:58 AM
>> To: Aaron Zeckoski
>> Cc: Colin Clark; Sakai UI UI; sakai-dev Dev; fluid- 
>> work at
>> Subject: Re: Ideas for Sakai U-Camp & Programmer's Cafe
>> Hi Aaron
>> I'm coordinating the UCamp for JA-Sig in November and will be working
>> with the one at the Sakai conference as well.  We'd like to start
>> thinking about the UCamp and so this idea should be explored more.
>> If we want to make the code sprint exercise really successful I think
>> we'll need to select something that designers can start working on
>> before the UCamp.  Daphne had an idea that I'd like to propose as
>> well, in that we consider how the Fluid reorderer component could be
>> implemented in Sakai.
>> I think this is a component that designers understand fairly well and
>> before the UCamp areas for its implementation within Sakai could be
>> found that would best serve users.  Then the collaboration at the
>> UCamp could see some of this implemented.
>> Does anyone have any suggestions on this?  Daphne did you have any
>> further ideas?  Perhaps we should also consider forming a UCamp
>> planning committee for Sakai conference.
>> cheers
>> Barbara
>> On 15-Oct-07, at 8:35 AM, Aaron Zeckoski wrote:
>>> Ok, after a little brainstorming we are thinking that we should
>>> attempt something like a code sprint for the afternoon session. The
>>> idea is that we either pick small scale issues or make up an  
>>> exercise
>>> and work on them in small teams. The teams would be made up of a
>>> couple experienced people (hopefully a designer and developer) and
>>> some less experienced members. Probably 5-8 people in a team.
>>> An alternative would be to simply demonstrate the process of  
>>> designing
>>> and developing in Sakai for all the developers with a precompleted
>>> exercise.
>>> If you have an opinion about which one is more valuable to you as a
>>> developer or designer in Sakai, please speak up. If you think  
>>> they are
>>> both bad ideas and we should just do a presentation or something  
>>> else
>>> entirely then please make suggestions.
>>> Thanks
>>> -AZ
>>> On 10/9/07, Colin Clark <colin.clark at> wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> Aaron Zeckoski and I have been chatting about some new ideas for  
>>>> the
>>>> Sakai U-Camp and Programmer's Cafe at the upcoming Newport Beach
>>>> conference.
>>>> We've been talking about the prospect of having a small  
>>>> collaboration
>>>> where developers in the advanced Cafe stream will implement
>>>> functionality in Sakai based on wireframes by real designers.
>>>> I'd like to solicit wider feedback and suggestions on these ideas.
>>>> The
>>>> initial still very drafty suggestion is:
>>>> * 9 am - 11 am: Design, accessibility, and testing talks and
>>>> discussions
>>>> This session will largely be focussed on topics of interest to
>>>> experienced UX folks as well as those interested in learning more.
>>>> The
>>>> familiar U-Camp format.
>>>> * After lunch - 2 pm: U-Camp collaboration with the Programmer's
>>>> Cafe.
>>>> based on a design problem we work out and design for in advance of
>>>> the
>>>> conference, we'll work with the advanced Cafe developers to  
>>>> implement
>>>> our designs.
>>>> This will require us to organize well in advance so we have time
>>>> to put
>>>> together a relatively small project, do the user research, and
>>>> come up
>>>> with a design. Perhaps there is some bite-size work from the Fluid
>>>> summit that we could work on for this project.
>>>> UI designer/developer types will likely want to stay in the Cafe
>>>> for the
>>>> afternoon to help with the implementation work.
>>>> * 2 pm - 4:30 pm: Back in the U-Camp, more UX-specific activities.
>>>> Perhaps something intersecting with teaching and learning? Or UX
>>>> walkthroughs of Sakai? Other ideas?
>>>> * 4:30 pm - 5:30 pm: Combined session demonstrating the results of
>>>> the
>>>> implementation. Identifying next steps and people to carry this  
>>>> work
>>>> forward if desired.
>>>> I think that we still need to work out a lot of the details for  
>>>> this
>>>> sort of plan. It's hard to do any sizable amount of implementation
>>>> work
>>>> in an afternoon, so the design problem would have to be very small
>>>> and
>>>> worked out ahead of time.
>>>> More importantly, we've found in Fluid that the most productive
>>>> way to
>>>> work on UX issues tends to be a close collaboration amongst a small
>>>> group of designers and developers who work as a team.
>>>> Unfortunately this
>>>> initial idea for a U-Camp/Cafe collaboration doesn't really take  
>>>> this
>>>> approach into account, and I'm a bit troubled by the process.
>>>> Thoughts? Suggestions?
>>>> Colin
>>>> --
>>>> Colin Clark
>>>> Technical Lead, Fluid Project
>>>> Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto
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