Ideas for Sakai U-Camp & Programmer's Cafe

Daphne Ogle daphne at
Thu Oct 18 18:07:34 UTC 2007

Yea, that's a great idea Kathy!  I walked away from the Fluid Summit  
with an action item to identify integration points in Sakai for the  
reorder.    If we decide to go this route for Ucamp I can create an  
initial list and then we can decide as group which places would be  
good for this.


On Oct 18, 2007, at 8:49 AM, Moore, Kathleen E wrote:

> Pardon me for piping in when I won't be at the event, but we hear a  
> lot
> of desire to rearrange Sakai's tool menu, from both students and
> faculty. It would be terrific if the reorderer could be applied to  
> that
> area.
> Kathy
> Kathleen Moore
> Web Manager, Information Technology Services
> Boston University School of Management
> kemoore at
> 617-353-2685
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Glover [mailto:barbara.glover at]
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:58 AM
> To: Aaron Zeckoski
> Cc: Colin Clark; Sakai UI UI; sakai-dev Dev; fluid- 
> work at
> Subject: Re: Ideas for Sakai U-Camp & Programmer's Cafe
> Hi Aaron
> I'm coordinating the UCamp for JA-Sig in November and will be working
> with the one at the Sakai conference as well.  We'd like to start
> thinking about the UCamp and so this idea should be explored more.
> If we want to make the code sprint exercise really successful I think
> we'll need to select something that designers can start working on
> before the UCamp.  Daphne had an idea that I'd like to propose as
> well, in that we consider how the Fluid reorderer component could be
> implemented in Sakai.
> I think this is a component that designers understand fairly well and
> before the UCamp areas for its implementation within Sakai could be
> found that would best serve users.  Then the collaboration at the
> UCamp could see some of this implemented.
> Does anyone have any suggestions on this?  Daphne did you have any
> further ideas?  Perhaps we should also consider forming a UCamp
> planning committee for Sakai conference.
> cheers
> Barbara
> On 15-Oct-07, at 8:35 AM, Aaron Zeckoski wrote:
>> Ok, after a little brainstorming we are thinking that we should
>> attempt something like a code sprint for the afternoon session. The
>> idea is that we either pick small scale issues or make up an exercise
>> and work on them in small teams. The teams would be made up of a
>> couple experienced people (hopefully a designer and developer) and
>> some less experienced members. Probably 5-8 people in a team.
>> An alternative would be to simply demonstrate the process of  
>> designing
>> and developing in Sakai for all the developers with a precompleted
>> exercise.
>> If you have an opinion about which one is more valuable to you as a
>> developer or designer in Sakai, please speak up. If you think they  
>> are
>> both bad ideas and we should just do a presentation or something else
>> entirely then please make suggestions.
>> Thanks
>> -AZ
>> On 10/9/07, Colin Clark <colin.clark at> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Aaron Zeckoski and I have been chatting about some new ideas for the
>>> Sakai U-Camp and Programmer's Cafe at the upcoming Newport Beach
>>> conference.
>>> We've been talking about the prospect of having a small  
>>> collaboration
>>> where developers in the advanced Cafe stream will implement
>>> functionality in Sakai based on wireframes by real designers.
>>> I'd like to solicit wider feedback and suggestions on these ideas.
>>> The
>>> initial still very drafty suggestion is:
>>> * 9 am - 11 am: Design, accessibility, and testing talks and
>>> discussions
>>> This session will largely be focussed on topics of interest to
>>> experienced UX folks as well as those interested in learning more.
>>> The
>>> familiar U-Camp format.
>>> * After lunch - 2 pm: U-Camp collaboration with the Programmer's
>>> Cafe.
>>> based on a design problem we work out and design for in advance of
>>> the
>>> conference, we'll work with the advanced Cafe developers to  
>>> implement
>>> our designs.
>>> This will require us to organize well in advance so we have time
>>> to put
>>> together a relatively small project, do the user research, and
>>> come up
>>> with a design. Perhaps there is some bite-size work from the Fluid
>>> summit that we could work on for this project.
>>> UI designer/developer types will likely want to stay in the Cafe
>>> for the
>>> afternoon to help with the implementation work.
>>> * 2 pm - 4:30 pm: Back in the U-Camp, more UX-specific activities.
>>> Perhaps something intersecting with teaching and learning? Or UX
>>> walkthroughs of Sakai? Other ideas?
>>> * 4:30 pm - 5:30 pm: Combined session demonstrating the results of
>>> the
>>> implementation. Identifying next steps and people to carry this work
>>> forward if desired.
>>> I think that we still need to work out a lot of the details for this
>>> sort of plan. It's hard to do any sizable amount of implementation
>>> work
>>> in an afternoon, so the design problem would have to be very small
>>> and
>>> worked out ahead of time.
>>> More importantly, we've found in Fluid that the most productive
>>> way to
>>> work on UX issues tends to be a close collaboration amongst a small
>>> group of designers and developers who work as a team.
>>> Unfortunately this
>>> initial idea for a U-Camp/Cafe collaboration doesn't really take  
>>> this
>>> approach into account, and I'm a bit troubled by the process.
>>> Thoughts? Suggestions?
>>> Colin
>>> --
>>> Colin Clark
>>> Technical Lead, Fluid Project
>>> Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto
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Daphne Ogle
Senior Interaction Designer
University of California, Berkeley
Educational Technology Services
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