Changes to the wiki...

Justin Obara j-obara at
Thu Oct 4 21:14:16 UTC 2007

Hello, I'm new here as well and also "just" a volunteer. 

I personally am very happy with the changes made to the wiki.
I found that the old style was harder to navigate through and I 
would get lost in the content. The new version has a much 
cleaner look and feel. It is my understanding that usability should
be about making things easier. I agree with Kylie and Daphne that
there are two goals at play. One is providing the information, the 
other is accessing the information. The new version is much easier
to get at the information. I can not speak to inputing information as
I have yet to make changes to the wiki. 

In the current system it seems that there are several streams of information; 
each represented by an item in the left navigation bar. I was thinking that
it may be usefull to hi-light the item for which the current page falls under.
That is to say that when reading things about components, the components item
is hi-lighted. The hi-lighting may need to be different than a mouse over though. 
Just thought that it might help people keep track of where they were easier. 
Not sure how good an idea it is.


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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:01:49 -0700
From: Daphne Ogle <daphne at>
Subject: Re: Changes to the wiki...
To: "Kyle Russell" <kyler at>
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Comments below...

On Oct 3, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Kyle Russell wrote:

> Hi,
> I know I am totally new and just a volunteer, but I'd like to throw  
> out
> my thoughts on the different wiki options.
There is no such thing as "just".  Volunteer and community is what  
Fluid is all about!  Glad to have your voice, opinion, work on the  
> I'd suggest that the goals of the fluid project have some influence  
> over
> the design that is chosen. Certainly left nav is a strong pattern  
> in how
> websites are used, however, if the goal is to develop a community of
> practice encouraging participation of the members, the classic wiki
> style may be a better choice. The classic style is becoming quite
> mainstream with wikipedia's popularity and has a strong affordance for
> enabling users to edit the site and feel a group ownership for the  
> site.
>> From a practical standpoint the left nav option changes the wiki into
> much more of a traditional website as there is little affordance  
> for the
> new user to directly interact with the content. If the goal of the  
> fluid
> project is to produce a traditional website, the left nav is probably
> better. If the end goal is to create a wiki, I'd suggest that the
> classic style would be better.

Thinking about the goals and how we've been using the wiki thus far I  
think it's a little of both.  We want to concisely share information  
about the project and the work we are doing with the community --  
perhaps better supported by a a classic website AND we want to  
collaboratively work together across distance on various documents  
and activities -- perhaps better supported by a wiki style.

Regardless, personally I'm not sure how I feel about the left  
navigation yet.  I've been using confluence for several years now so  
I'm a bit set in the alternative navigation structure.  I want to  
spend some time with the new navigation in context of our work before  
having any real opinion.

> Thoughts on these ideas?
> Cheers,
> -Kyle
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fluid-work-bounces at
> [mailto:fluid-work-bounces at] On Behalf Of Gary  
> Thompson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:52 PM
> To: fluid-work at
> Subject: Re: Changes to the wiki...
> Daphne,
> Theoretically.  I edited the color scheme for the navigation, but it
> seems to have only partially taken.  The navigation text should be  
> dark
> grey, but for some reason it does not seem to have changed.  Looking
> into it...
> Gary
> Daphne Ogle wrote:
>> Ditto!  Looks great and I really like the left navigation.
>> One request... anyway to increase the contrast of the left nav?  The
>> white text on light grey background is hard on my old eyes :)
>> -Daphne
>> On Oct 3, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Moore, Kathleen E wrote:
>>> I love what Gary is doing, but could we make the logo a little
> smaller?
>>> Its size makes the left-hand column take up more space than seems
>>> ideal--or is that also out-of-the-box?
>>> Kathy
>>> Kathleen Moore
>>> Web Manager, Information Technology Services Boston University  
>>> School
>>> of Management kemoore at <mailto:kemoore at>
>>> 617-353-2685
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: fluid-work-bounces at
>>> <mailto:fluid-work-bounces at>
>>> [mailto:fluid-work-bounces at] On Behalf Of Gary
>>> Thompson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:53 PM
>>> To: fluid-work at <mailto:fluid-work at>
>>> Subject: Re: Changes to the wiki...
>>> +1 from my perspective as well. However:
>>> It would be nice if that was an out-of-the-box option.  From what I
>>> can tell, there two themes that ship with Confluence: 1) the default
>>> theme that we had been using with the actions at the top, and 2) the
>>> left-column navigation theme that I switched to.  It seems that  
>>> there
>>> are no easy options to specify where the page actions are  
>>> located; in
>>> the left-navigation theme, they are "hard-coded" to appear in the
>>> left column under the navigation.
>>> A combination of the two would be ideal - left navigation with the
>>> page actions more prominent.  There may be other themes available
>>> from the Confluence community, and/or it is possible to make some
>>> edits to the theme and layout templates.  I'm trying to not go that
>>> route, however, and was hopeful to be able to make those changes
>>> through the standard administration interfaces.
>>> Gary
>>> Joseph Scheuhammer wrote:
>>>> +1
>>>> Colin wrote:
>>>>> ... since these page operations are so common, perhaps we should
>>>>> put them somewhere a bit more prominent?
>>> What
>>>>> do others think?
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