First try at ARIA role and state markup -- looking for advice

[David Bolter]

Hi Rich,

If any guessing (e.g. walking up containers) is involved I think it  
would be great to be able to capture the "guess-ness" quality  
semantically.

See related discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.accessibility/ 
browse_thread/thread/13dc438a6a1b1288/a4f431227c858eeb#a4f431227c858eeb

cheers,
David

On 15-Jun-07, at 4:46 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:

> Hi Anastasia,
>
> Your timing is impeccable. We have a number of groups looking at  
> this now. SAP is asking and I have
> a call scheduled with Freedom Scientfic next week to hash out the  
> UI scenarios. My response is below.
>
>
> Rich Schwerdtfeger
> Distinguished Engineer, SWG Accessibility Architect/Strategist
> Chair, IBM Accessibility Architecture Review Board
> blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/schwer
>
> Anastasia Cheetham <a.cheetham at utoronto.ca> wrote on 06/15/2007  
> 03:33:00 PM:
>
> >
> > Anastasia asked:
> > > > One last question, regarding the 'application' role:
> > > >
> > > > In our case, the grid itself *is* the lightbox application,  
> but our
> > > > understanding is that you can not have multiple roles. We  
> could wrap
> > > > the lightbox in another div that exists just to add the  
> application
> > > > role, but we're wondering if there are other options.
> >
> > Rich responded:
> > > We are still working out the interaction with the ATs. I would
> > > place "application" on the body tag.
> >
> > Hm... This is getting me thinking. Musing out loud...
> >
> > My understanding is that the purpose of the application role is to
> > tell the AT to stop operating in 'read the text' mode and to start
> > operating in 'interact with the application' mode.
> >
> > Assuming I'm right (and please correct me if I'm wrong!):
> >
> > Currently (and we expect this to be common), the lightbox is being
> > used inside a tool that is inside a portal. Which part of this
> > scenario is 'the application'? Is it the whole portal? My guess is
> > no. Is it the tool? Tools are typically application-like things, so
> > my guess is that a tool in a portal frame is an application in the
> > WAI role sense of the word. Is the lightbox itself an  
> application? It
> > certainly seems to function in that sense, but if it's inside an
> > application, it doesn't seem to need the role itself.
> >
> If the lightbox is inside an application then the grid does not  
> need a role
> of application - think container.
>
> > So it sounds like in this case, the application role should be
> > attached to the root of the tool itself.
> >
> > Given this, whose responsibility is it to set this role? The tool
> > designer?
> If the tool designer knows that an application is embedded then yes.
> Alernatively, if you knew enough about the container you could use
> script to walk the container and set the application role. I agree,
> my preference is that the tool designer should know.
>
> >
> > --
> > Anastasia Cheetham                   a.cheetham at utoronto.ca
> > Software Designer, Fluid Project
> > Adaptive Technology Resource Centre / University of Toronto
> >
> >    "We are at the very beginning of time for the human race.
> >     It is not unreasonable that we grapple with problems.
> >     But there are tens of thousands of years in the future.
> >     Our responsibility is to do what we can, learn what we
> >     can, improve the solutions, and pass them on."
> >                                      -- Richard Feynman
> >
> >
> >
>
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