icons in action!
Harriet Truscott
harriet at caret.cam.ac.uk
Tue Jul 10 15:30:19 UTC 2007
I'm keen that the default skins we go with do include the design features
that members of the community have found increase usability - things such as
tabs that look like tabs, for example.
We use the plain tofu Sakai skin at Cambridge, and we've been making a
preliminary list of issues that we think could be resolved with improvements
to the skin itself:
https://camtools.caret.cam.ac.uk/access/wiki/site/c50c4b08-d361-4ccc-00e1-98
6782b05aef/design/ui/css.html
(This is in our own Sakai wiki, so sadly not editable or commentable by
people)
Harriet
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daphne Ogle [mailto:daphne at media.berkeley.edu]
> Sent: 09 July 2007 20:15
> To: ieb at tfd.co.uk
> Cc: Gonzalo Silverio; Sean Mehan; John Norman; Sakai Dev;
> fluid-work at fluidproject.org; Sakai UI UI
> Subject: Re: icons in action!
>
> I'm adding the UI list to the conversation (btw -- we
> probably shouldn't assume the UI community reads all the dev
> list emails...at least not at the same level as the UI list).
>
> This is a great idea! I'm happy to help however I can. From
> a design standpoint it seems like you most need the skills of
> visual and/or graphic designers and UI developers.
> Unfortunately, Seamus, who did our new skin at Berkeley is
> heading back to Ireland in 2
> weeks so we are bit lacking in the visual design respect right now.
> Let me know how I can help though.
>
> -Daphne
>
> On Jul 9, 2007, at 12:56 AM, Ian Boston wrote:
>
> > Gonzalo,
> > This sounds excelent, I would be happy to implement anything you
> > needed in the portal code if you could lead the effort. It
> might also
> > be good to pull resource from the fluid members with exeperties, if
> > the were willing and you thought it a good idea.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > Sent from my Pearl, sorry about the briefness and spelling!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gonzalo Silverio <gsilver at umich.edu>
> >
> > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:29:33
> > To:"Sean Mehan" <sean at smo.uhi.ac.uk>
> > Cc:"John Norman" <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>,"Sakai Dev" <sakai-
> > dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> > Subject: Re: icons in action!
> >
> >
> > I would be happy to be a part of this work:
> >
> > 1) create a more pleasing OOTB skin
> > 2) create a wireframe skin for customization, perhaps 2
> more example
> > skins
> > 3) supporting documentation (media, text)
> >
> > For 1) the choice is to start on the basis of an existing
> one - such
> > as the NYU skin - if that is OK with that institution . See:
> >
> > https://collab.sakaiproject.org/access/content/attachment/
> > cc9cb174-7543-48b8-80d8-fc6e80c77b2b/nyu_icons.png
> >
> > Or start from scratch - but with a design. A designer would
> be needed
> > for that.
> >
> > The portal markup is in pretty good shape but may need some changes
> > for 2.5 - feedback on this is needed. The documentation is
> way overdue
> > for a major overhaul - feedback, keystrokes and actors
> needed there as
> > well.
> >
> > Am assuming this does not go very deep into the tools.
> >
> > So need:
> >
> > - A designer
> > - User testing, evaluation
> > - Markup mavens with strong opinions
> > - Documentation writing, webcast scripting and acting.
> >
> > - Gonzalo
> >
> >
> > On Jul 8, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Sean Mehan wrote:
> >
> >> ++1 on this, i.e., shipping with a couple of skins by default.
> >> Also, in
> >> this vein, a webcast by some plucky designer showing how they went
> >> from
> >> skin1 to skin2 in design terms, i.e., demonstrating how
> EASY it is to
> >> shift skins in sakai, perhaps with another bit at the end of said
> >> webcast demonstrating how to switch skins.
> >>
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> sean
> >>
> >>
> >> <quote who="John Norman">
> >>> I agree with Chuck. Perhaps is makes sense to consider an
> >>> aesthetically pleasing default skin _and_ a basic skin as
> a starting
> >>> point for skin customisation (maybe even one that somehow
> discloses
> >>> the customisation options).
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> On 8 Jul 2007, at 13:29, Charles Severance wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A couple of comments about the icons and the skin.
> >>>>
> >>>> - I agree with Glenn and Vivie about the current trunk
> ugliness and
> >>>> the icons on the front page not looking very nifty. If
> we cannot
> >>>> make it look better, we should simply disable the icons and let
> >>>> people put them back in their own skins - currently I like the
> >>>> default being on so we know there is work to do :)
> >>>>
> >>>> - I agree that the out of the box skin should be designed to be
> >>>> extensible - it should be cleanly implemented and
> well-documented
> >>>> to allow modification.
> >>>>
> >>>> - I disagree with the implication that we should never
> ship with a
> >>>> skin which shows the icons. That somehow the default
> skin needs to
> >>>> be bare bones. If we can come up with a cleanly
> implemented, well-
> >>>> documented, easily extended, skin that uses the icons and looks
> >>>> great out of the box - then we should consider it.
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason is that people looking at Sakai OOTB - form opinions
> >>>> about the product - and if the skin continues to be so minimal -
> >>>> people will get the wrong impression about the fit and polish of
> >>>> the product. It is sad but true, but the visual impact of the
> >>>> default skin means a lot to a *lot* of people - sad sad
> sad but oh
> >>>> so true.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I would like to keep an open mind about a future default skin
> >>>> that does include the icons - with the agreement that
> the current
> >>>> state of icons is most easily fixed by turning off the
> icons OOTB -
> >>>> or perhaps simply disabling the "iframe/web content icon".
> >>>>
> >>>> Charles Severance
> >>>> csev at umich.edu www.dr-chuck.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Vivie Sinou wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I sure hope this doesn't pop up in Sakai OOTB in a
> future release
> >>>>> - not as
> >>>>> the only skin option, at any rate.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A couple of years ago, a group worked very hard to create a
> >>>>> generic / vanilla-flavor skin that is easy to customize
> for local
> >>>>> brands / implementations. Please keep a simple, vanilla
> skin for
> >>>>> Sakai OOTB, and if folks (whoever) think that another
> with icons
> >>>>> and additional styles will appeal to others, offer a secondary
> >>>>> option.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Vivie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Glenn R. Golden [mailto:ggolden at umich.edu]
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:00 AM
> >>>>>> To: Sakai Dev
> >>>>>> Subject: icons in action!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does anyone else think that this (the icons on the
> gateway page
> >>>>>> in the trunk) looks sort of silly? (follow the link
> below to see
> >>>>>> that attached image)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not sure which of the following contributes mostly to this:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - the formatting
> >>>>>> - the redundancy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Glenn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Glenn R. Golden
> >>>>>> Software Architect, University Of Michigan ggolden at umich.edu
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> pastedGraphic.png
> >>>>>> https://collab.sakaiproject.org/access/content/attachment/07ce
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