Collaboration with Oracle.
Colin Clark
colin.clark at utoronto.ca
Mon Aug 27 16:53:07 UTC 2007
Hi all,
As Daphne says, we'd certainly appreciate George's presence at the Sakai
UI design patterns call any time.
On the other hand, I think any conversations we have with Oracle should
be broader in scope so as to include members of the uPortal and Moodle
communities.
Perhaps a specific Fluid meeting could be scheduled for this, either by
phone or with Breeze videoconferencing?
Colin
Daphne Ogle wrote:
> That would be great.
>
> The design patterns group has a weekly call on Mondays, 3:00 PDT / 6:00
> EDT. Since next week is a holiday for those of us in the states perhaps
> we should schedule an additional meeting sometime this week. Why don't
> you all at Oracle choose a few days that the same time works (3:00 PDT /
> 6:00 EDT) this week or next and then we can check with the regular DP
> meeting attendees to find one that works for most. If needed we can
> stray from the normal time but it seems to work best with the various
> time zones involved (Eastern & Western US, Australia).
>
> -Daphne
>
> On Aug 24, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>
>> Should we set up a conference call?
>>
>> - Michael
>>
>>
>> George Hackman wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I think the design patterns and the user testing are probably the
>>> best place to start.
>>> On this issue...
>>> We continue to struggle with "what is the right level of granularity"
>>> for these patterns...which is quite related to who is the audience,
>>> designers or developers. Our goal is that we meet the needs of
>>> both. Also, in distributed, complex projects such as Sakai, uPortal
>>> & Moodle, what is the right level of flexibility to promote
>>> consistency yet allow for creative innovation and the "it depends" in
>>> design.
>>>
>>> I could talk all day on this one as we struggled quite a bit with
>>> it. We have some solutions we could share that may or may not work
>>> for you. We are very big into design patterns at Oracle.
>>> How about we do a conference call on this? I am out next week on
>>> vacation, but towards the middle end of the following week (8/29 -
>>> 8/31 is good for me).
>>>
>>>
>>> On the UE front, I could ask folks in our larger org to present as
>>> well. Or I could join the chat myself. I am not a big emailer,
>>> because my fingers get tired :( . But I would love to talk.
>>> Thanks,
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daphne Ogle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Hi George,
>>>>
>>>> It's great to hear Oracle will be participating in the Fluid project.
>>>>
>>>> Welcome! It would be great to hear about your work at Oracle and
>>>> how we might utilize some of your methods, etc. on our Fluid work.
>>>> The timing is great since we are in the midst of defining much of
>>>> this work for Fluid. I've commented below on some of the biggest
>>>> challenges I see for us from the UX perspective. I'm sure there
>>>> are more but these are just the ones on the top of my mind right
>>>> now. Does it make sense to schedule a conference call or Breeze
>>>> meeting to talk about the topics below (and others people think
>>>> of)? Are you planning to attend the Fluid summit,
>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fall+2007+Fluid+Summit?
>>>> If so we could also include some of this on our UX agenda. My
>>>> preference would be to talk before then since we'll be presenting
>>>> and discussing several Fluid UX processes and methodologies at the
>>>> summit.
>>>>
>>>> As far as current work in progress, there are several activities
>>>> going on and it would be great to have you participate in any or
>>>> all...whatever makes sense from your perspective. Here's the short
>>>> list:
>>>> - UX walkthroughs (a hybrid usability & accessibility heuristic
>>>> combined with cognitive walkthroughs) of Sakai, uPortal & Moodle,
>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/User+Experience+Walk-throughs.
>>>> Also see Colin's blog post, "Fluid UX Walk-throughs Getting
>>>> Started", http://fluidproject.atrc.utoronto.ca/blog/ about ways to
>>>> get involved in this work.
>>>> - Several process definitions are being created for review and
>>>> refinement at the Summit: 1) User testing protocol, 2) Content
>>>> management research,
>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Content+Management+Research
>>>> (very drafty and still populating with information from work last
>>>> week), 3) Component design process, 4) UX walkthrough process and
>>>> protocol (on the wiki at URL above). These are all at various
>>>> "in-progress" states and I'm sure you're thoughts on them would be
>>>> appreciated. There isn't anything posted yet for the user testing
>>>> or design processes but I expect there will be soon.
>>>> - Design patterns,
>>>> http://bugs.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/DESPAT/Home. This
>>>> work is being done within the Sakai working group. Please feel free
>>>> to join our weekly calls and/or give feedback on the pattern library
>>>> thus far.
>>>>
>>>> -Daphne
>>>>>
>>>>> George Hackman wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Thanks for the intro Jutta. I look forward to contributing where
>>>>>> I can. A couple of topics, I could talk about further include...
>>>>>> * UI design patterns and how we use them at Oracle to promote
>>>>>> usability and consistency. This is a big help for us as we have
>>>>>> a lot of developers to support with a fairly small UX team.
>>>>>>
>>>> We continue to struggle with "what is the right level of
>>>> granularity" for these patterns...which is quite related to who is
>>>> the audience, designers or developers. Our goal is that we meet the
>>>> needs of both. Also, in distributed, complex projects such as
>>>> Sakai, uPortal & Moodle, what is the right level of flexibility to
>>>> promote consistency yet allow for creative innovation and the "it
>>>> depends" in design.
>>>>>> * Accessibility and evolving standards. Accessibility is key to
>>>>>> us as we sell lots of software to the goverment. I could talk
>>>>>> about our program and what we are doing here.
>>>>>>
>>>> Great! I'm sure we face similar challenges here with creating
>>>> accessible system behavior at the same time standards are evolving.
>>>>>> * Usability methods that we use at Oracle (Customer visits
>>>>>> (ethnography), usability testing (remote and local) etc.). You
>>>>>> are probably familiar with most of these, but I could call out
>>>>>> what we do differently or uniquely.
>>>>>>
>>>> It's always good to hear what others have found to work. I see a
>>>> big challenge for us here to define, suggest, promote UX process and
>>>> methods to a distributed group whom all likely already have some
>>>> process and methods in place in their current organization. How
>>>> much consistency in these activities do we need? How do we make
>>>> sure the community is "brought along" early in the design activities
>>>> (research, modeling, etc.) Do we require (rather than just
>>>> encourage) research and modeling (persona and scenarios for example)
>>>> for instance? Research will likely be done in a distributed
>>>> manner. What are the best techniques for making sense of the
>>>> research findings (modeling activities are best done, or at least
>>>> started, f2f at a white board for instance.
>>>>>> These are just starting points. I am open to new ideas or topics.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> George
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>>>> Daphne Ogle
>>>> Senior Interaction Designer
>>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>> Educational Technology Services
>>>> daphne at media.berkeley.edu <mailto:daphne at media.berkeley.edu>
>>>> cell (510)847-0308
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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> Daphne Ogle
> Senior Interaction Designer
> University of California, Berkeley
> Educational Technology Services
> daphne at media.berkeley.edu <mailto:daphne at media.berkeley.edu>
> cell (510)847-0308
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