Collaboration with Oracle.
Michael Feldstein
michael.feldstein at oracle.com
Sat Aug 25 00:16:52 UTC 2007
When are the next appropriate conference calls? Can we get some
date/time options on the table?
- m
Mara Hancock wrote:
> I think there is group that is pretty focused on just this issue and
> they may have regular calls set up already. If so, it might make sense
> to have George present Oracle's lessons learned as a central agenda item.
>
> Mara
> On Aug 24, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Jutta Treviranus wrote:
>
>> That sounds like a good idea - so we can save George's fingers. We
>> may also wish to set aside time at the summit meetings next month to
>> discuss these topics.
>>
>> Jutta
>>
>> At 3:52 PM -0400 8/24/07, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>>> Should we set up a conference call?
>>>
>>> - Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> George Hackman wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I think the design patterns and the user testing are probably the
>>>> best place to start.
>>>> On this issue...
>>>> We continue to struggle with "what is the right level of
>>>> granularity" for these patterns...which is quite related to who is
>>>> the audience, designers or developers. Our goal is that we meet
>>>> the needs of both. Also, in distributed, complex projects such as
>>>> Sakai, uPortal & Moodle, what is the right level of flexibility to
>>>> promote consistency yet allow for creative innovation and the "it
>>>> depends" in design.
>>>>
>>>> I could talk all day on this one as we struggled quite a bit with
>>>> it. We have some solutions we could share that may or may not work
>>>> for you. We are very big into design patterns at Oracle.
>>>> How about we do a conference call on this? I am out next week on
>>>> vacation, but towards the middle end of the following week (8/29 -
>>>> 8/31 is good for me).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the UE front, I could ask folks in our larger org to present as
>>>> well. Or I could join the chat myself. I am not a big emailer,
>>>> because my fingers get tired :( . But I would love to talk.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daphne Ogle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi George,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's great to hear Oracle will be participating in the Fluid project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome! It would be great to hear about your work at Oracle and
>>>>> how we might utilize some of your methods, etc. on our Fluid
>>>>> work. The timing is great since we are in the midst of defining
>>>>> much of this work for Fluid. I've commented below on some of the
>>>>> biggest challenges I see for us from the UX perspective. I'm
>>>>> sure there are more but these are just the ones on the top of my
>>>>> mind right now. Does it make sense to schedule a conference call
>>>>> or Breeze meeting to talk about the topics below (and others
>>>>> people think of)? Are you planning to attend the Fluid summit,
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fall+2007+Fluid+Summit?
>>>>> If so we could also include some of this on our UX agenda. My
>>>>> preference would be to talk before then since we'll be presenting
>>>>> and discussing several Fluid UX processes and methodologies at the
>>>>> summit.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as current work in progress, there are several activities
>>>>> going on and it would be great to have you participate in any or
>>>>> all...whatever makes sense from your perspective. Here's the
>>>>> short list:
>>>>> - UX walkthroughs (a hybrid usability & accessibility heuristic
>>>>> combined with cognitive walkthroughs) of Sakai, uPortal & Moodle,
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/User+Experience+Walk-throughs.
>>>>> Also see Colin's blog post, "Fluid UX Walk-throughs Getting
>>>>> Started", http://fluidproject.atrc.utoronto.ca/blog/ about ways
>>>>> to get involved in this work.
>>>>> - Several process definitions are being created for review and
>>>>> refinement at the Summit: 1) User testing protocol, 2) Content
>>>>> management research,
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Content+Management+Research
>>>>> (very drafty and still populating with information from work last
>>>>> week), 3) Component design process, 4) UX walkthrough process and
>>>>> protocol (on the wiki at URL above). These are all at various
>>>>> "in-progress" states and I'm sure you're thoughts on them would be
>>>>> appreciated. There isn't anything posted yet for the user testing
>>>>> or design processes but I expect there will be soon.
>>>>> - Design patterns,
>>>>> http://bugs.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/DESPAT/Home. This
>>>>> work is being done within the Sakai working group. Please feel
>>>>> free to join our weekly calls and/or give feedback on the pattern
>>>>> library thus far.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Daphne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George Hackman wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Thanks for the intro Jutta. I look forward to contributing
>>>>>>> where I can. A couple of topics, I could talk about further
>>>>>>> include...
>>>>>>> * UI design patterns and how we use them at Oracle to promote
>>>>>>> usability and consistency. This is a big help for us as we
>>>>>>> have a lot of developers to support with a fairly small UX team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> We continue to struggle with "what is the right level of
>>>>> granularity" for these patterns...which is quite related to who is
>>>>> the audience, designers or developers. Our goal is that we meet
>>>>> the needs of both. Also, in distributed, complex projects such as
>>>>> Sakai, uPortal & Moodle, what is the right level of flexibility to
>>>>> promote consistency yet allow for creative innovation and the "it
>>>>> depends" in design.
>>>>>>> * Accessibility and evolving standards. Accessibility is key to
>>>>>>> us as we sell lots of software to the goverment. I could talk
>>>>>>> about our program and what we are doing here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Great! I'm sure we face similar challenges here with creating
>>>>> accessible system behavior at the same time standards are evolving.
>>>>>>> * Usability methods that we use at Oracle (Customer visits
>>>>>>> (ethnography), usability testing (remote and local) etc.). You
>>>>>>> are probably familiar with most of these, but I could call out
>>>>>>> what we do differently or uniquely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> It's always good to hear what others have found to work. I see a
>>>>> big challenge for us here to define, suggest, promote UX process
>>>>> and methods to a distributed group whom all likely already have
>>>>> some process and methods in place in their current organization.
>>>>> How much consistency in these activities do we need? How do we
>>>>> make sure the community is "brought along" early in the design
>>>>> activities (research, modeling, etc.) Do we require (rather than
>>>>> just encourage) research and modeling (persona and scenarios for
>>>>> example) for instance? Research will likely be done in a
>>>>> distributed manner. What are the best techniques for making sense
>>>>> of the research findings (modeling activities are best done, or at
>>>>> least started, f2f at a white board for instance.
>>>>>>> These are just starting points. I am open to new ideas or topics.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> fluid-work mailing list
>>>>>>> fluid-work at fluidproject.org <mailto:fluid-work at fluidproject.org>
>>>>>>> http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <oracle_sig_logo.gif>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Feldstein | Principal Product Manager | 818.817.2925
>>>>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions
>>>>>> PO Box 307, Glendale, MA 01229
>>>>>> <oracle_sig_logo.gif>
>>>>>> <michael.feldstein.vcf>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> fluid-work mailing list
>>>>>> fluid-work at fluidproject.org <mailto:fluid-work at fluidproject.org>
>>>>>> http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work
>>>>>
>>>>> Daphne Ogle
>>>>> Senior Interaction Designer
>>>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>>> Educational Technology Services
>>>>> daphne at media.berkeley.edu <mailto:daphne at media.berkeley.edu>
>>>>> cell (510)847-0308
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Oracle Email Signature Logo
>>> Michael Feldstein | Principal Product Manager | 818.817.2925
>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions
>>> PO Box 307, Glendale, MA 01229
>>>
>>> Should we set up a conference call?
>>>
>>> - Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> George Hackman wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I think the design patterns and the user testing are probably the
>>>> best place to start.
>>>> On this issue...
>>>> We continue to struggle with "what is the right level of
>>>> granularity" for these patterns...which is quite related to who is
>>>> the audience, designers or developers. Our goal is that we meet
>>>> the needs of both. Also, in distributed, complex projects such as
>>>> Sakai, uPortal & Moodle, what is the right level of flexibility to
>>>> promote consistency yet allow for creative innovation and the "it
>>>> depends" in design.
>>>>
>>>> I could talk all day on this one as we struggled quite a bit with
>>>> it. We have some solutions we could share that may or may not work
>>>> for you. We are very big into design patterns at Oracle.
>>>> How about we do a conference call on this? I am out next week on
>>>> vacation, but towards the middle end of the following week (8/29 -
>>>> 8/31 is good for me).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the UE front, I could ask folks in our larger org to present as
>>>> well. Or I could join the chat myself. I am not a big emailer,
>>>> because my fingers get tired :( . But I would love to talk.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daphne Ogle wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi George,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's great to hear Oracle will be participating in the Fluid project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome! It would be great to hear about your work at Oracle and
>>>>> how we might utilize some of your methods, etc. on our Fluid
>>>>> work. The timing is great since we are in the midst of defining
>>>>> much of this work for Fluid. I've commented below on some of the
>>>>> biggest challenges I see for us from the UX perspective. I'm
>>>>> sure there are more but these are just the ones on the top of my
>>>>> mind right now. Does it make sense to schedule a conference call
>>>>> or Breeze meeting to talk about the topics below (and others
>>>>> people think of)? Are you planning to attend the Fluid summit,
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fall+2007+Fluid+Summit?
>>>>> If so we could also include some of this on our UX agenda. My
>>>>> preference would be to talk before then since we'll be presenting
>>>>> and discussing several Fluid UX processes and methodologies at the
>>>>> summit.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as current work in progress, there are several activities
>>>>> going on and it would be great to have you participate in any or
>>>>> all...whatever makes sense from your perspective. Here's the
>>>>> short list:
>>>>> - UX walkthroughs (a hybrid usability & accessibility heuristic
>>>>> combined with cognitive walkthroughs) of Sakai, uPortal & Moodle,
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/User+Experience+Walk-throughs
>>>>> <http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/User+Experience+Walk-throughs>.
>>>>> Also see Colin's blog post, "Fluid UX Walk-throughs Getting
>>>>> Started", http://fluidproject.atrc.utoronto.ca/blog/ about ways
>>>>> to get involved in this work.
>>>>> - Several process definitions are being created for review and
>>>>> refinement at the Summit: 1) User testing protocol, 2) Content
>>>>> management research,
>>>>> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Content+Management+Research
>>>>> <http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Content+Management+Research>
>>>>> (very drafty and still populating with information from work last
>>>>> week), 3) Component design process, 4) UX walkthrough process and
>>>>> protocol (on the wiki at URL above). These are all at various
>>>>> "in-progress" states and I'm sure you're thoughts on them would be
>>>>> appreciated. There isn't anything posted yet for the user testing
>>>>> or design processes but I expect there will be soon.
>>>>> - Design patterns,
>>>>> http://bugs.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/DESPAT/Home. This
>>>>> work is being done within the Sakai working group. Please feel
>>>>> free to join our weekly calls and/or give feedback on the pattern
>>>>> library thus far.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Daphne
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George Hackman wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Thanks for the intro Jutta. I look forward to contributing
>>>>>>> where I can. A couple of topics, I could talk about further
>>>>>>> include...
>>>>>>> * UI design patterns and how we use them at Oracle to promote
>>>>>>> usability and consistency. This is a big help for us as we
>>>>>>> have a lot of developers to support with a fairly small UX team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> We continue to struggle with "what is the right level of
>>>>> granularity" for these patterns...which is quite related to who is
>>>>> the audience, designers or developers. Our goal is that we meet
>>>>> the needs of both. Also, in distributed, complex projects such as
>>>>> Sakai, uPortal & Moodle, what is the right level of flexibility to
>>>>> promote consistency yet allow for creative innovation and the "it
>>>>> depends" in design.
>>>>>>> * Accessibility and evolving standards. Accessibility is key to
>>>>>>> us as we sell lots of software to the goverment. I could talk
>>>>>>> about our program and what we are doing here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Great! I'm sure we face similar challenges here with creating
>>>>> accessible system behavior at the same time standards are evolving.
>>>>>>> * Usability methods that we use at Oracle (Customer visits
>>>>>>> (ethnography), usability testing (remote and local) etc.). You
>>>>>>> are probably familiar with most of these, but I could call out
>>>>>>> what we do differently or uniquely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> It's always good to hear what others have found to work. I see a
>>>>> big challenge for us here to define, suggest, promote UX process
>>>>> and methods to a distributed group whom all likely already have
>>>>> some process and methods in place in their current organization.
>>>>> How much consistency in these activities do we need? How do we
>>>>> make sure the community is "brought along" early in the design
>>>>> activities (research, modeling, etc.) Do we require (rather than
>>>>> just encourage) research and modeling (persona and scenarios for
>>>>> example) for instance? Research will likely be done in a
>>>>> distributed manner. What are the best techniques for making sense
>>>>> of the research findings (modeling activities are best done, or at
>>>>> least started, f2f at a white board for instance.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are just starting points. I am open to new ideas or topics.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> fluid-work mailing list
>>>>>>> fluid-work at fluidproject.org <mailto:fluid-work at fluidproject.org>
>>>>>>> http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <oracle_sig_logo.gif>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Feldstein | Principal Product Manager | 818.817.2925
>>>>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions
>>>>>> PO Box 307, Glendale, MA 01229
>>>>>> <oracle_sig_logo.gif>
>>>>>> <michael.feldstein.vcf>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> fluid-work mailing list
>>>>>> fluid-work at fluidproject.org <mailto:fluid-work at fluidproject.org>
>>>>>> <mailto:fluid-work at fluidproject.org>
>>>>>> http://fluidproject.org/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work
>>>>>
>>>>> Daphne Ogle
>>>>> Senior Interaction Designer
>>>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>>> Educational Technology Services
>>>>> daphne at media.berkeley.edu <mailto:daphne at media.berkeley.edu>
>>>>> <mailto:daphne at media.berkeley.edu>
>>>>> cell (510)847-0308
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
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>>> Oracle Academic Enterprise Solutions
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