[Accessforall] conflict this morning/24751 agena

Liddy Nevile liddy at sunriseresearch.org
Fri Jun 21 17:55:52 EDT 2013


sorry - done - I prefer using Doodle poll...

Liddy

On 22/06/2013, at 1:09 AM, Treviranus, Jutta (Academic) wrote:

> We will not have a meeting on Monday morning.
>
> We need a few more responses to determine the alternative time,  
> Liddy, can you chime in?
>
> At the moment the tool tells us that there is no time that works.  
> The best times seem to be Wednesday and Thursday at 11am EST but  
> this is without Liddy's times.
>
> thanks
> Jutta
>
>
> Jutta Treviranus
> Professor and Director
> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design Institute
> OCAD University
>
> On 2013-06-21, at 10:56 AM, Madeleine Rothberg <madeleine_rothberg at wgbh.org 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Has a useful time emerged from the poll? Can you confirm that we  
>> are NOT
>> meeting on Monday at 8 am Eastern?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Madeleine
>>
>> On 6/17/13 11:33 PM, "Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)"
>> <jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Can everyone indicate a time that works for you at this link?
>>>
>>> http://whenisgood.net/tg7s9jy
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Jutta
>>>
>>> Jutta Treviranus
>>> Professor and Director
>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design Institute
>>> OCAD University
>>>
>>> On 2013-06-17, at 7:02 AM, "Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)"
>>> <jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> It appears that more than 2/3 of the group have conflicts this  
>>>> morning
>>>> so we will need to find an alternative time to Monday morning for  
>>>> many
>>>> reasons.
>>>>
>>>> I will set up a Doodle poll and sent it to everyone.
>>>> I will also send a more complete agenda with links to the items  
>>>> we will
>>>> cover.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> Jutta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jutta Treviranus
>>>> Professor and Director
>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design Institute
>>>> OCAD University
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-06-17, at 4:44 AM, Andy Heath <andyheath at axelrod.plus.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Emails arrived during the European night.
>>>>>> I have a conflict this week but will weigh in if possible times  
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> circulated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Madeleine
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an overlapping call that starts earlier but which  
>>>>> requires I
>>>>> give it priority - if its finished in time I'll join.
>>>>> Otherwise I can weigh in also if possible times are circulated.
>>>>> whenisgood.net might be useful
>>>>>
>>>>> andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2013-06-16, at 9:56 PM, "Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)"
>>>>>> <jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> Tomorrows draft agenda is:
>>>>>>> 1. New time for meetings?
>>>>>>> 2. Review Gottfried's proposal regarding labels
>>>>>>> 3. Review Liddy's proposal
>>>>>>> 4. Review points of agreement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary Albrecht cannot make Monday mornings at 8am to discuss  
>>>>>>> metrics
>>>>>>> and outliers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Talk to you at 8am.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jutta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jutta Treviranus
>>>>>>> Professor and Director
>>>>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design Institute
>>>>>>> OCAD University
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2013-06-10, at 10:28 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden <gv at trace.wisc.edu 
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RE Picking a list:
>>>>>>>> How about we move the discussion to the Preferences at lists.gpii.net 
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>> It is then part of the overall set of lists.   It also is a bit
>>>>>>>> more agnostic and general than "accessforall"  though that is  
>>>>>>>> a big
>>>>>>>> topic for now.   The discussions will continue however, after  
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is released.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RE  One Place
>>>>>>>> We can then have the contributions all gather on the preference
>>>>>>>> section of  wiki.GPII.net  (or at least link to them all from  
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> if they are not posted there)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RE  Drafting
>>>>>>>> I agree that we should start drafting the standard.    Lots of
>>>>>>>> talking won't clarify as well as the actual words.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RE Agreement
>>>>>>>> I think it would be of great help to figure out what we agree  
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> and where there are differences.
>>>>>>>> Toward that end I set up a WORKING page on Google Docs where  
>>>>>>>> we can
>>>>>>>> work on the ERLEND QUESTIONS  (and any others people add)
>>>>>>>> you can find it at   http://tinyurl.com/24751EQs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please go and add your votes for or against statements there  
>>>>>>>> -- and
>>>>>>>> add your own new statements.     Lets see where we agree and  
>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>> from there.
>>>>>>>> This also works asynchronously - so you can do it whether you  
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> the meetings or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I started it out -- capturing what I thought I heard from the  
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> - or thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gregg
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>>>>>>>> Director Trace R&D Center
>>>>>>>> Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
>>>>>>>> and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison
>>>>>>>> Technical Director - Cloud4all Project - http://Cloud4all.info
>>>>>>>> Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International -
>>>>>>>> http://Raisingthefloor.org
>>>>>>>> and the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure Project -
>>>>>>>> http://GPII.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Liddy Nevile
>>>>>>>> <liddy at sunriseresearch.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like us to be doing the work in one place as well -  
>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>> very confusing chasing stuff all over the place...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Liddy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/06/2013, at 12:05 AM, Madeleine Rothberg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If days other than Monday have too many conflicts, then we  
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> stick with
>>>>>>>>>> it. I agree that if we are meeting generally it doesn't  
>>>>>>>>>> hurt to
>>>>>>>>>> miss a few
>>>>>>>>>> -- but Canadian, US, UK, and European countries all have  
>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> holidays, so it will sometimes be a problem. (In May, for
>>>>>>>>>> example, I think
>>>>>>>>>> three different weeks were holidays. The group met on US  
>>>>>>>>>> Memorial
>>>>>>>>>> Day,
>>>>>>>>>> when I was off.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Whichever mailing list organizers prefer is fine with me. I  
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>> know how to keep up to date.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Madeleine
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/10/13 9:49 AM, "Gottfried Zimmermann (List)"
>>>>>>>>>> <zimmermann at accesstechnologiesgroup.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Madeleine,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> good point about using the mailing list.  I believe we  
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> most likely
>>>>>>>>>>> use the mailing list preferences at lists.gpii.net.  But I will
>>>>>>>>>>> also send it
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> Accessforall at fluidproject.org - then everybody can verify  
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the meeting day: If the reason is only for  
>>>>>>>>>>> holidays, i
>>>>>>>>>>> would not
>>>>>>>>>>> like to switch to another day.  If we move it to a different
>>>>>>>>>>> day, I will
>>>>>>>>>>> likely not be able to attend.  Also, in Germany we have many
>>>>>>>>>>> Thursdays as
>>>>>>>>>>> holidays.  So, if we run the meeting every week, we can  
>>>>>>>>>>> afford
>>>>>>>>>>> skipping a
>>>>>>>>>>> Monday if that is a holiday in the US or another
>>>>>>>>>>> well-represented country.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Gottfried
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>>>> Von: Madeleine Rothberg [mailto:madeleine_rothberg at wgbh.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juni 2013 15:26
>>>>>>>>>>> An: Treviranus, Jutta (Academic); Gottfried Zimmermann;
>>>>>>>>>>> Accessforall at fluidproject.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Andy Heath; Gregg Vanderheiden; Liddy Nevile; Erlend  
>>>>>>>>>>> Øverby;
>>>>>>>>>>> Helle
>>>>>>>>>>> Bjarnø
>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: conflict this morning
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Jutta, for adding me to this message.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can I ask that we return to using the list for communicating
>>>>>>>>>>> about these
>>>>>>>>>>> meetings, so that we can be sure everyone knows the  
>>>>>>>>>>> schedule? If
>>>>>>>>>>> for some
>>>>>>>>>>> reason it no longer makes sense to use
>>>>>>>>>>> <Accessforall at fluidproject.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>> let's establish a new list for this meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, is it possible to meet on a day other than Monday?  
>>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>> would avoid
>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with the many Monday holidays in numerous  
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> countries,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> would make it more likely that we discover conflicts in  
>>>>>>>>>>> advance
>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> just before the meeting time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Madeleine
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/10/13 6:34 AM, "Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)"
>>>>>>>>>>> <jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary Albright who was going to call in briefly this  
>>>>>>>>>>>> morning to
>>>>>>>>>>>> speak on
>>>>>>>>>>>> outliers and affinity metrics also has a conflict.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So we will meet again next week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> jutta
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-06-10, at 6:27 AM, Gottfried Zimmermann
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gzimmermann at acm.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i think that's wise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gottfried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Von: Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juni 2013 12:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An: Andy Heath
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Treviranus, Jutta (Academic); Gregg Vanderheiden;  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liddy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nevile;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erlend  Øverby; Helle Bjarnø; Gottfried Zimmermann
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: conflict this morning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given all these conflicts perhaps we should let Liddy  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bed on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time as  well, and meet again next week or at another time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this week?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jutta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jutta Treviranus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor and Director
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Institute OCAD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-06-10, at 6:17 AM, Andy Heath
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <andyheath at axelrod.plus.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have an overlapping call and may be late or miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> andy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Working Group members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm to speak at this event today (sold out with 200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attending), and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought I was to speak last and was one of 3 speakers  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turns
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out I'm  first and am the only presentation beginning just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after 8,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see  http://joininfo.ca/BLN . Apologies but I won't be  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our meeting  this morning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erlend could you chair today's call?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jutta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jutta Treviranus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor and Director
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OCAD University
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> andy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> andyheath at axelrod.plus.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy Heath
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://axelafa.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> andy
>>>>> andyheath at axelrod.plus.com
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> __________________
>>>>> Andy Heath
>>>>> http://axelafa.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>



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