[Accessforall] conflict this morning/24751 agena

Madeleine Rothberg madeleine_rothberg at wgbh.org
Fri Jun 21 10:56:54 EDT 2013


Has a useful time emerged from the poll? Can you confirm that we are NOT
meeting on Monday at 8 am Eastern?

Thanks,
Madeleine

On 6/17/13 11:33 PM, "Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)"
<jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca> wrote:

>Can everyone indicate a time that works for you at this link?
>
>http://whenisgood.net/tg7s9jy
>
>thanks
>Jutta
>
>Jutta Treviranus
>Professor and Director
>Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design Institute
>OCAD University
>
>On 2013-06-17, at 7:02 AM, "Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)"
><jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca> wrote:
>
>> Dear all, 
>> It appears that more than 2/3 of the group have conflicts this morning
>>so we will need to find an alternative time to Monday morning for many
>>reasons. 
>> 
>> I will set up a Doodle poll and sent it to everyone.
>> I will also send a more complete agenda with links to the items we will
>>cover.
>> 
>> thanks
>> Jutta
>> 
>> 
>> Jutta Treviranus
>> Professor and Director
>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design Institute
>> OCAD University
>> 
>> On 2013-06-17, at 4:44 AM, Andy Heath <andyheath at axelrod.plus.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Emails arrived during the European night.
>>>> I have a conflict this week but will weigh in if possible times are
>>>>circulated.
>>>> 
>>>> Madeleine
>>> 
>>> I have an overlapping call that starts earlier but which requires I
>>>give it priority - if its finished in time I'll join.
>>> Otherwise I can weigh in also if possible times are circulated.
>>> whenisgood.net might be useful
>>> 
>>> andy
>>>> 
>>>> On 2013-06-16, at 9:56 PM, "Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)"
>>>><jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> Tomorrows draft agenda is:
>>>>> 1. New time for meetings?
>>>>> 2. Review Gottfried's proposal regarding labels
>>>>> 3. Review Liddy's proposal
>>>>> 4. Review points of agreement.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gary Albrecht cannot make Monday mornings at 8am to discuss metrics
>>>>>and outliers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Talk to you at 8am.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jutta
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jutta Treviranus
>>>>> Professor and Director
>>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design Institute
>>>>> OCAD University
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2013-06-10, at 10:28 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden <gv at trace.wisc.edu>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RE Picking a list:
>>>>>> How about we move the discussion to the Preferences at lists.gpii.net.
>>>>>> It is then part of the overall set of lists.   It also is a bit
>>>>>>more agnostic and general than "accessforall"  though that is a big
>>>>>>topic for now.   The discussions will continue however, after this
>>>>>>is released.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RE  One Place
>>>>>> We can then have the contributions all gather on the preference
>>>>>>section of  wiki.GPII.net  (or at least link to them all from there
>>>>>>if they are not posted there)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RE  Drafting
>>>>>> I agree that we should start drafting the standard.    Lots of
>>>>>>talking won't clarify as well as the actual words.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RE Agreement
>>>>>> I think it would be of great help to figure out what we agree on
>>>>>>and where there are differences.
>>>>>> Toward that end I set up a WORKING page on Google Docs where we can
>>>>>>work on the ERLEND QUESTIONS  (and any others people add)
>>>>>> you can find it at   http://tinyurl.com/24751EQs
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please go and add your votes for or against statements there -- and
>>>>>>add your own new statements.     Lets see where we agree and build
>>>>>>from there.
>>>>>> This also works asynchronously - so you can do it whether you make
>>>>>>the meetings or not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I started it out -- capturing what I thought I heard from the list
>>>>>>- or thought.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gregg
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>>>>>> Director Trace R&D Center
>>>>>> Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
>>>>>> and Biomedical Engineering University of Wisconsin-Madison
>>>>>> Technical Director - Cloud4all Project - http://Cloud4all.info
>>>>>> Co-Director, Raising the Floor - International -
>>>>>>http://Raisingthefloor.org
>>>>>> and the Global Public Inclusive Infrastructure Project -
>>>>>>http://GPII.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:46 PM, Liddy Nevile
>>>>>><liddy at sunriseresearch.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would like us to be doing the work in one place as well - it is
>>>>>>>very confusing chasing stuff all over the place...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Liddy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/06/2013, at 12:05 AM, Madeleine Rothberg wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If days other than Monday have too many conflicts, then we can
>>>>>>>>stick with
>>>>>>>> it. I agree that if we are meeting generally it doesn't hurt to
>>>>>>>>miss a few
>>>>>>>> -- but Canadian, US, UK, and European countries all have different
>>>>>>>> holidays, so it will sometimes be a problem. (In May, for
>>>>>>>>example, I think
>>>>>>>> three different weeks were holidays. The group met on US Memorial
>>>>>>>>Day,
>>>>>>>> when I was off.)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Whichever mailing list organizers prefer is fine with me. I just
>>>>>>>>want to
>>>>>>>> know how to keep up to date.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Madeleine
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6/10/13 9:49 AM, "Gottfried Zimmermann (List)"
>>>>>>>> <zimmermann at accesstechnologiesgroup.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Madeleine,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> good point about using the mailing list.  I believe we should
>>>>>>>>>most likely
>>>>>>>>> use the mailing list preferences at lists.gpii.net.  But I will
>>>>>>>>>also send it
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Accessforall at fluidproject.org - then everybody can verify where
>>>>>>>>>they are
>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regarding the meeting day: If the reason is only for holidays, i
>>>>>>>>>would not
>>>>>>>>> like to switch to another day.  If we move it to a different
>>>>>>>>>day, I will
>>>>>>>>> likely not be able to attend.  Also, in Germany we have many
>>>>>>>>>Thursdays as
>>>>>>>>> holidays.  So, if we run the meeting every week, we can afford
>>>>>>>>>skipping a
>>>>>>>>> Monday if that is a holiday in the US or another
>>>>>>>>>well-represented country.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Gottfried
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>> Von: Madeleine Rothberg [mailto:madeleine_rothberg at wgbh.org]
>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juni 2013 15:26
>>>>>>>>> An: Treviranus, Jutta (Academic); Gottfried Zimmermann;
>>>>>>>>> Accessforall at fluidproject.org
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Andy Heath; Gregg Vanderheiden; Liddy Nevile; Erlend Øverby;
>>>>>>>>>Helle
>>>>>>>>> Bjarnø
>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: conflict this morning
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Jutta, for adding me to this message.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Can I ask that we return to using the list for communicating
>>>>>>>>>about these
>>>>>>>>> meetings, so that we can be sure everyone knows the schedule? If
>>>>>>>>>for some
>>>>>>>>> reason it no longer makes sense to use
>>>>>>>>><Accessforall at fluidproject.org>
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> let's establish a new list for this meeting.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Also, is it possible to meet on a day other than Monday? That
>>>>>>>>>would avoid
>>>>>>>>> conflicts with the many Monday holidays in numerous different
>>>>>>>>>countries,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> would make it more likely that we discover conflicts in advance
>>>>>>>>>rather
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> just before the meeting time.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Madeleine
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6/10/13 6:34 AM, "Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)"
>>>>>>>>> <jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Gary Albright who was going to call in briefly this morning to
>>>>>>>>>>speak on
>>>>>>>>>> outliers and affinity metrics also has a conflict.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So we will meet again next week.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>> jutta
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-06-10, at 6:27 AM, Gottfried Zimmermann
>>>>>>>>>><gzimmermann at acm.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, i think that's wise.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Gottfried
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>>>> Von: Treviranus, Jutta (Academic)
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:jtreviranus at faculty.ocadu.ca]
>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Montag, 10. Juni 2013 12:20
>>>>>>>>>>> An: Andy Heath
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Treviranus, Jutta (Academic); Gregg Vanderheiden; Liddy
>>>>>>>>>>>Nevile;
>>>>>>>>>>> Erlend  Øverby; Helle Bjarnø; Gottfried Zimmermann
>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: conflict this morning
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Given all these conflicts perhaps we should let Liddy get to
>>>>>>>>>>>bed on
>>>>>>>>>>> time as  well, and meet again next week or at another time
>>>>>>>>>>>this week?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jutta
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jutta Treviranus
>>>>>>>>>>> Professor and Director
>>>>>>>>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design
>>>>>>>>>>>Institute OCAD
>>>>>>>>>>> University
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2013-06-10, at 6:17 AM, Andy Heath
>>>>>>>>>>><andyheath at axelrod.plus.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have an overlapping call and may be late or miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>> andy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Working Group members
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm to speak at this event today (sold out with 200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>attending), and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> thought I was to speak last and was one of 3 speakers but it
>>>>>>>>>>>turns
>>>>>>>>>>> out I'm  first and am the only presentation beginning just
>>>>>>>>>>>after 8,
>>>>>>>>>>> see  http://joininfo.ca/BLN . Apologies but I won't be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>make
>>>>>>>>>>> our meeting  this morning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erlend could you chair today's call?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jutta
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jutta Treviranus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor and Director
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclusive Design Research Centre and Inclusive Design
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Institute
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OCAD University
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> andy
>>>>>>>>>>>> andyheath at axelrod.plus.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> __________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy Heath
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://axelafa.com
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> andy
>>> andyheath at axelrod.plus.com
>>> -- 
>>> __________________
>>> Andy Heath
>>> http://axelafa.com
>>> 
>> 
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